Re: [dnswl-users] List maintenance strategies...

[Alessandro Vesely <vesely@xxxxxxx>]

Patrick Domack wrote:
> (from another dnswl user)
>
> Isn't this all just reinventing the wheel?
>
> Other people setting up the same things have issues getting users to  
> report verified spam, cause every user has a different idea of what  
> spam is, and most users find delete to be much quicker and easier to  
> solve the problem.

I think this particular wheel has never been invented properly. 
Possibly, people that would be good at it uses spam-free mail servers, 
and thus can never really check what users' reports are like. Support 
on clients is so sporadic that admins who want to do per user Bayesian 
filters on the server have to hack their own callbacks from IMAP.

> The current policy says they will monitor common maillists and rbl's  
> and dnswl ip's that match will be delisted.

That's fine, and minimizes the work.

> I think the current method is ok, it could probably be improved by  
> joining with people like spamcop directly. But if your completely  
> paranoid of a dnswl ip is sending spam on a short lived bases (till  
> the admin of that ip corrects the problem), then maybe it would be  
> more benifitual to run with the spamhaus/spamcop rbl's before the  
> dnswl one. This probably won't benifit many people, unless you run a  
> completely crazy overprotective blacklists after dnswl.

IMHO, Spamhaus is better suited for the botnet whack-a-mole game. 
There is another kind of spam, bearing real sender's address, that may 
arise "naturally" when someone gives way to the temptation to 
advertise something, possibly believing it is a good thing that 
deserves recipients' attention. How do medium and small sized servers 
manage them? Without feedback, they're blind.

> Quoting Alessandro Vesely <vesely@xxxxxxx>:
> > I found very little notices about it, e.g. when has it been founded,
> > who pays, why it's not on wikipedia, and similar amenities...

And that? On whois I read

 Domain Name:  DNSWL.ORG
 Created On:  09-Dec-2005 07:  03:  11 UTC
 Sponsoring Registrar:  Gandi SAS (R42-LROR)
 Registrant Name:  Matthias Leisi
 Registrant Organization:  Matthias Leisi
 Registrant Street1:  Ackerstrasse 150
 Registrant City:  Volketswil
 Registrant Postal Code:  8604
 Registrant Country:  CH

I guess that's correct, however it's not very descriptive. I added the 
page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNSWL, in case anyone wants to add 
to it...